"I was a principal at a consulting engineering firm in 1989, when it was bought. The buyers wanted only one other principal besides Larry, one of the original partners. So it was between Jim and me. It was agreed that I'd stay, but then I began to think about starting my own firm.
"At a meeting one day, everyone went to the bathroom except Jim and me. He said he wasn't sure he wanted to work for another company. I said, 'Great, I'm not sure I want to stay.' So when everybody came back, Jim and I announced that we'd switched: he would stay and I would leave."